in my attempt to preform I created this monster- http://akbar.marlboro.edu/~jboynton/caning.html it is a lot better then when I first loaded it into my browser after tooling around with it for awhile. I need to do a lot more reading, but I am proud that at least I go the CSS to do something readable. I cannot figure out why it is showing the last para as bold. and why the page goes on forever to the right. I need to take a break, as I have been working on it from 1:30 until now. at least its a first. I don't expect you to write everything out in an email to me, but I will be working away at it tonight and reading as much as I can. I tell you though, its not easy for me to comprehend. One question is simple. I understand that 0 is black, but what I can't tell is what the letters in a color value mean. I know, I'm retarded. if you get my emails please reply so that I know that you got them. Jonathan